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TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW WITH KYLE AND JACKIE O
3 AUGUST 2010
E & O E – PROOF ONLY
Subjects: Election; Campaign Debates; Economy.
KYLE: How are you, Your Majesty, welcome to the show.
JACKIE O: Prime Minister, good morning.
PM: Thank you. Standing up is not required.
JACKIE O: It’s not required.
KYLE: See if I was you, I’d be making, everywhere I go I’d want everyone to stand up.
JACKIE O: She’s a woman of the people Kyle. She’s one of us. She keeps it real.
KYLE: She’s like Wendell Sailor, she’ just a person in the community.
JACKIE O: We’re in her this morning and there are so many cameras that have followed you in. Is this what it’s been like since you announced the election.
PM: It’s been pretty much like this since I’ve announced the election. So some friends with cameras seem to come almost everywhere with me.
JACKIE O: Always.
PM: So I’ve got a black tea here and the trick is, don’t dribble it while I drink it.
KYLE: So, it’s when you announce that you’re running an election, or if you have marriage crisis and you’re in the media, those cameras just follow you around everywhere you go?
PM: Do you think they’re the same cameras or different cameras.
KYLE: There’s a lot of similarities. How often, I’ve seen you at the front of your place, they’ve got all the TV trucks and everyone there and then the press photographers are there. I’ve had a little bit of that myself lately. So I know what it’s like. But you get it all day, every day, everywhere you go.
PM: And how did your neighbours go with it?
KYLE: I’ve never spoken to them since.
JACKIE O: What are your neighbours like?
PM: Well my neighbours are pretty good because we’ve now got cameras, that’s right, but we’ve also got extra security. So the man next door said to me, oh I went down the shop the other day and I didn’t lock the front door and then I thought, who’s gonna break in? So it’s working for him.
JACKIE O: Now, what’s this brand new campaign you’ve kicked off about wanting Australians to see the real Julia Gillard? I wanted to ask you about that.
PM: Well it’s really more of the real Julia Gillard. When you embark on an election campaign there’s kind of an orthodoxy about how it’s done. So you go out and do a limited number of events and you’re really hoping that you don’t make any errors –
JACKIE O: Yeah.
PM: And your risk averse. I’m kind of throwing that rule book out.
JACKIE O: Oh really?
PM: So it’s more of the real Julia Gillard on display.
KYLE: What do you want us to see? Just the real person? Like the real lady right?
PM: Well, hopefully, what people will get to know is me as a person, but also me as a Leader and my plans for the country’s future. So that’s about jobs and it’s about education. I’m very passionate about making sure every child gets a great education. It’s made such a difference for my life and, of course, having the health care system that you need when things happen in the middle of the night.
KYLE: Is it that important for every kid to have a great education, because me, I was kicked out as a homeless kid at 15, I’ve had no education since halfway through Year 10 and here I am, still earning 10 times more than what you’re earning. Is it that important?
PM: Well I think that’s a good thing and the Australian story is full of people who have overcome the odds and ended up being very successful but what we know is, if you look at the vast bulk of Australians, it’s true to say you will do better in terms of jobs and earnings -
PM: The more education you get. So that doesn’t mean that some people don’t crash through-
PM: But rather than putting barriers in people’s way and then hoping they crash through, I’d rather help them along with a great education.
JACKIE O: And last night you agreed also to a second debate with Tony Abbott.
PM: Well I said I’m happy to debate Tony Abbott on the economy.
JACKIE O: Ok.
PM: I’ve noticed that Tony Abbott, not interested in a debate on the economy.
KYLE: Why not?
PM: It’s not his strong suit. Well I think Peter Costello, who knew him well all those years in Government, basically said he’s bored by economics, he’s not interested in it and this is a real problem for Tony Abbott because there’s no bigger task if you want to run the country than keeping the economy strong.
JACKIE O: Yep, absolutely.
KYLE: And you know, really, and I don’t want to, like, cut this down between a male versus female thing, but you women are better with the money than the men. Like, who at home, in every household -
JACKIE O: There’d be men out there who are disagreeing with you right now.
KYLE: No, every now and then they splash out and buy a handbag or whatever. But at the end of the day, it’s the women that are saying, look, nah, we can’t go to the movies this week, we haven’t got enough money. Women are better at it. They’re – men will waste it on alcohol and golf and cars that we can’t afford. Women seem to have their act together when it comes to the finances. Do you think you’re stronger, just because you’re a woman?
PM: Kyle, I think you’re going to get a lot of reaction to that from men. I don’t think, I don’t think at the end of the day it’s about gender. I think it’s about the skills and capacities you bring and what you’re prepared to do and what I’m prepared to do is bring the Budget back to surplus in 2013, so that is responsible management. I’m prepared to keep investing in jobs and skills and building the infrastructure we need for the future. I mean, the National Broadband Network – I’ll build it. Tony Abbott won’t and if we fast forward the clock – three, five, ten years – if we don’t have infrastructure like that, we will be exporting jobs to economies that do-
PM: Like Korea, like Japan, like Singapore. I don’t want that to happen. I want us to have the jobs of the future.
KYLE: T-Bott was here, on yesterday, he only rang up and he said, he wouldn’t even come in, and he said, look, that he was better suited to run the country than you. Now, obviously, you’re going to have a different opinion?
PM: Yes I am going to have a different opinion and it’s around these core questions, you know, we’ve had a big global economic crisis. We made the better decisions then to keep people in work. We’ll make the better decisions for the future. I want to invest in schools. Tony wants to cut money away from them. I want to invest in health care. Tony wants to stop things like our GP Superclinics. These are big decisions for Australians.
No I’m certainly saying, when it comes to who is the right person to lead the country, my pitch to Australians is if you want us to have a strong economy and all of the things that that can bring for the future, then I’m your person.
JACKIE O: When it comes to get it out there and doing the campaigning, Tony’s been bringing out his wife. Do you plan on bringing your partner along or is that, doing it alone?
PM: Look, Tim’s not a politician-
JACKIE O: No.
PM: He’s not a candidate, he’s not a Labor Minister. So he’ll be around supporting me. He’s come to functions and events with me but the great thing about him is he just wants to, you know, make sure I’m ok. So that’s very nice.
KYLE: Do you use the power of the office in arguments? Where you say, listen, at the end of the day I’m the Prime Minister?
PM: No, not when I’m at home. I don’t go home and say, we’re definitely having lamb for dinner tonight because I’m the Prime Minister, when Tim’s cooked pasta. No I don’t do that.
KYLE: Oh, that would be so nice. I would love if you said, yeah, oh every now and then I bring it out.
JACKIE O: I’d bring it out.
KYLE: When the final decision has to be made in an argument, you pull that. I’d pull it out. I’d pull it out in the first argument.
JACKIE O: Now we have a few people that have called in. Debbie has phoned through. Hi Debbie, how are you?
DEBBIE: Hi, how are you going? Hi Julia. Big fan.
PM: Oh, thank you, Debbie.
DEBBIE: I just wanted to know what’s the first thing you’re going to change if you’re elected? The very first thing.
PM: Well very first thing on the 22nd is we’d be delivering the policies that we promise in the election. So, we’ve made some big commitments about investing in the future. Just yesterday I was talking about better supporting teenagers, keeping them at school and I was talking about empowering school principals. I want us to have great schools. As Education Minister I started some very important reforms. This is the next stage. So all of the things you’re seeing in the election campaign, keeping the economy strong-
DEBBIE: Wow. Great.
PM: You know, great schools, a health care system you can rely on. I’ll start that on the Sunday if I’m elected.
JACKIE O: All right.
PM: No rest. No rest, it will be straight in-
KYLE: On the Sunday, no one will notice until Monday though.
JACKIE O: – have the Sunday off.
PM: It won’t work like that Kyle but thank you for wishing me a day off.
JACKIE O: Debbie said she was a big fan. You actually met Jessica Marais, James Stewart from Packed to the Rafters in the corridor when you were on your way in.
PM: I did.
JACKIE O: And I know they were waiting to meet you, they were really excited and then after you left, we were recording what they were saying and here’s what they said. They were very excited.
MARAIS: I’m completely starstruck. I think that was the most exciting moment of my life. I think…
HOST: Meeting Kyle and Jackie O?
MARAIS: Meeting Kylie and Jackie O? Of course. No, no – Julia Gillard. She was really lovely and just very warm and friendly and a lot more personable than you would imagine. I didn’t even know what to say. I just grinned and giggled.
STEWART: Mum, I just met Julia Gillard.
JACKIE O: He called his mum, that’s the first thing he did.
KYLE: Why did he ring his mother?
JACKIE O: He was on the phone to his mum.
KYLE: Do you think the more people you meet face to face the better? Because I’ve noticed with me, nearly every single person I meet, and let’s face it, you’re lucky I’m not running for Prime Minister this year but they always say, oh, you’re much taller in real life and you’re so much, you seem so much nice, much more nice in real life. Obviously they’ve got an illiterate problem.
JACKIE O: What do they say to you?
PM: Kyle, I think you are pointing to a little bit of a double edge sword there – that people meet you in real life and then say, gee you’re so much nicer than I was expecting. I’m kind of a little bit worried for you now Kyle.
Yes, I’m intending to meet as many people as I can. I’ll be out streetwalking in train stations. I’ll-
PM: Oh, gee, I’ve put that badly, I’m going to pay for that aren’t I? I mean walking down the street Kyle.
KYLE: Yes, of course.
PM: Walking down the street.
KYLE: Of course, of course.
PM: You’re a man with a bad mind. So I was walking around yesterday, Parramatta Station, I was even walking in the rain yesterday evening.
JACKIE O: Really?
PM: Some very surprised Sydney-siders watching me wandering around in the rain saying hello.
JACKIE O: Did the winds keep you up last night.
PM: No, I sleep pretty well. I mean once I get to bed, I sleep pretty well.
KYLE: How often do you sleep? How many hours a night do you sleep? Because I’ve heard that Obama and them and the world leaders they only sleep like five hours a night because they’re just too busy.
PM: Look, campaigning’s pretty busy so not very long sleep, but when I’m in bed, I’m asleep.
JACKIE O: Are you tired?
PM: No, I’m feeling pretty good.
JACKIE O: Really?
PM: Yes I am. Feeling energised, ready for the rest of it.
KYLE: You’d run on adrenalin too, like, it must be, like, a thrill. This is just like an Olympian running for Gold isn’t it? Like, this is the big race of your life?
PM: Well this is the fight of my life and we’re up against it and I care passionately about the future of this country. So I’m not going to die wandering, I’m going to be out there every day talking about the things I think really matter to Australians.
JACKIE O: Do you think it will be close?
PM: I think it’s going to be a photo finish.
JACKIE O: Really?
KYLE: Can I, I’ve got a gay guy in my office who wants to, we’re not talking about gay marriage again, but he wants to know who’s this clown that’s trying to censor the internet?
PM: Well, there’s no clown trying to censor the internet. Stephen Conroy our Minister for Communications has come to some arrangements about just making sure that with the internet, you can’t get, or doing what we can, to prevent people getting access to things that are illegal – the sorts of things that you could not go to a cinema and see. We’re talking about child pornography, things that, you know, everybody would acknowledge are completely wrong.
JACKIE O: Oh, ok.
KYLE: But does it start there and get worse? Does he just decide at some stage, oh I don’t like that and I don’t like this website and I don’t like that one.
PM: No. No, it’s not the Minister deciding and the focus is on, you know, we’ve got cinema classifications, so you go and watch a G movie, you can go and watch a movie that’s obviously for adults but there are some things you could not legally go and see in the cinema. You couldn’t get a video legally-
KYLE: Isn’t that what the internet is? The internet is, like, has a lot of that. So there’ll be quite a few things that will be on the banned list.
PM: Well, and they’re things that should be on the banned list though. I mean, you know, if it’s wrong – child pornography – disgusting, wrong.
JACKIE O: Exactly.
PM: Doesn’t matter whether it’s in a cinema, on a DVD or on the internet, we obviously want to crack down and stop that.
JACKIE O: Yep, very good, all right. Well Prime Minister thank you for coming in this morning.
PM: Thank you very much.
JACKIE O: It’s been a real treat.
PM: Thank you and Kyle, how’s LA?
KYLE: LA’s lovely. You know what, if you ever want to come and stay here, there’s always a lovely room for you.
JACKIE O: I think she’s busy at the moment.
PM: Yeah, I’ve got a couple of things to do but thank you anyway.
KYLE: The day you win, that’s the day you should be on holidays. Straight over here.
JACKIE O: I don’t think so.
KYLE: (inaudible) around the pool.
PM: Yeah, it won’t work like that either, but thank you Kyle. Thanks Jackie O.
KYLE: Oh, I like you, I like you better than the frog and you’ve got my vote.
JACKIE O: Who’s the frog?
PM: Thank you very much.
KYLE: The frog’s the one that wears those (inaudible) on the bike all the time.
JACKIE O: Oh, right. Ok.
KYLE: Can’t stand that bike outfit. It’s ridiculous.
KYLE: Thank you Prime Minister. Nice to talk to you.
JACKIE O: Thanks Prime Minister.
PM: Thank you.
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